I was asked a question "What is enlightenment, what is this abstract thing you seem to be striving for and are you not already enlightened?"
U.G. Krishnamurti might say that everyone is already enlightened and the only thing if at all blocking us from it is our yearning for it.
There are other schools of buddhism that claim that once one attains enlightenment one sees that everyone in the world is already enlightened.
I of course had my own answer for that ->
I am the most unenlightened person I know…I got angry at a guy blocking my way to the bike park today…if you sent me a message right now saying that I am an idiot I would probably be disturbed for the next 2 hour.
Enlightenment has many different levels as mentioned in the textbooks of Yoga schools…the state of turiya being the final state…buddhism has so much literature describing different levels of enlightenment…
There are 32 physical characteristics that appear on a enlightened person and if you go into the forest of Rishikesh today you will, if you are extremely lucky, meet few masters who are almost enlightened and have few of these physical characteristics…apart from physical characteristics there are so many other qualities as well for example it is natural for certain sidhis (supernatural powers) to come to an enlightened person, they can never die in an accident, even J Krishnamurthy had this sidhi…it would be impossible for them to have a negative thought towards anyone since a jnani sees all the time the unity of the world and knows that there is no other person to get angry at…an enlightened person would know exactly when he or she is going to die or when anyone is going to die, all enlightened masters communicate to each other through their subtle body and have complete knowledge of everything that is happening anywhere in the world…in fact most of these sidhis come much before enlightenment thats why we have people like Jaggi Vasudev who calls himself Sadhguru and an enlightened master but he is just a charlatan who has learnt to tap into these sidhis…the list of sidhis is endless, you just need to go to wikipedia and read up about some rishis who have lived in banaras in the last 200 years (since there would be very little record of saints living there prior to that).
Again not all schools are capable of taking the practitioner to full enlightenment…there are practices that can only take you to dev lokas from where you might have to return to the human realms eventually and then there are practices that can take you to brahma lokas where you can live in complete bliss without any body, in a state of pure mind till the end of the brahmand…but even these godly beings and beings in the brahmanic realms will die when the brahmand comes to an end…this is also mentioned in the books of most Yoga schools, that the brahmand itself is impermanent and brahma himself dies in the end and then a new brahmand will come into existence and new brahma will come into existence…but ultimate enlightenment is when the person disappears altogether i.e. not just get stuck in dev loka or brahma loka since even in these lokas one cannot escape the misery of death…that is the very core of indian philosophy, they all talk about how through practise one can free oneself from the endless cycle of samsara. Description of these lokas can be found here.
Me personally I am such an idiot that if I die today I will go into lower realms because I have negative thoughts, not very extreme like I don't want to kill anyone but simple one's like someone was disrespectful to me at some point and I would not want to say Hi to them if I saw them walking on the street…so personally i am not even searching for enlightenment…all i am trying is to make my spiritual practise strong enough so that at the moment of my death I fall into my spiritual practise and that will at least ensure I will return as a human and can continue my spiritual journey.
If at the moment of your death a person has even a slightest negative thought then it can take them to lower realms as mentioned here.
U.G. Krishnamurti might say that everyone is already enlightened and the only thing if at all blocking us from it is our yearning for it.
There are other schools of buddhism that claim that once one attains enlightenment one sees that everyone in the world is already enlightened.
I of course had my own answer for that ->
I am the most unenlightened person I know…I got angry at a guy blocking my way to the bike park today…if you sent me a message right now saying that I am an idiot I would probably be disturbed for the next 2 hour.
Enlightenment has many different levels as mentioned in the textbooks of Yoga schools…the state of turiya being the final state…buddhism has so much literature describing different levels of enlightenment…
There are 32 physical characteristics that appear on a enlightened person and if you go into the forest of Rishikesh today you will, if you are extremely lucky, meet few masters who are almost enlightened and have few of these physical characteristics…apart from physical characteristics there are so many other qualities as well for example it is natural for certain sidhis (supernatural powers) to come to an enlightened person, they can never die in an accident, even J Krishnamurthy had this sidhi…it would be impossible for them to have a negative thought towards anyone since a jnani sees all the time the unity of the world and knows that there is no other person to get angry at…an enlightened person would know exactly when he or she is going to die or when anyone is going to die, all enlightened masters communicate to each other through their subtle body and have complete knowledge of everything that is happening anywhere in the world…in fact most of these sidhis come much before enlightenment thats why we have people like Jaggi Vasudev who calls himself Sadhguru and an enlightened master but he is just a charlatan who has learnt to tap into these sidhis…the list of sidhis is endless, you just need to go to wikipedia and read up about some rishis who have lived in banaras in the last 200 years (since there would be very little record of saints living there prior to that).
Again not all schools are capable of taking the practitioner to full enlightenment…there are practices that can only take you to dev lokas from where you might have to return to the human realms eventually and then there are practices that can take you to brahma lokas where you can live in complete bliss without any body, in a state of pure mind till the end of the brahmand…but even these godly beings and beings in the brahmanic realms will die when the brahmand comes to an end…this is also mentioned in the books of most Yoga schools, that the brahmand itself is impermanent and brahma himself dies in the end and then a new brahmand will come into existence and new brahma will come into existence…but ultimate enlightenment is when the person disappears altogether i.e. not just get stuck in dev loka or brahma loka since even in these lokas one cannot escape the misery of death…that is the very core of indian philosophy, they all talk about how through practise one can free oneself from the endless cycle of samsara. Description of these lokas can be found here.
Me personally I am such an idiot that if I die today I will go into lower realms because I have negative thoughts, not very extreme like I don't want to kill anyone but simple one's like someone was disrespectful to me at some point and I would not want to say Hi to them if I saw them walking on the street…so personally i am not even searching for enlightenment…all i am trying is to make my spiritual practise strong enough so that at the moment of my death I fall into my spiritual practise and that will at least ensure I will return as a human and can continue my spiritual journey.
If at the moment of your death a person has even a slightest negative thought then it can take them to lower realms as mentioned here.
